The thing is that dating apps are making just about every part of our search for love less romantic. Well, the arguments go in both of those directions and in plenty others per side, which make us think it has the makings of a good debate. It was based on her looking -- John Donvan: But -- Manoush Zomorodi: -- super cute. But, you know, when you have millions of people using these dating apps to get together, there's a very deep barrel and you can pull out some really nasty stories from the bottom. Manoush Zomorodi: I think that people are beaten down. So, if we're talking about the number of relationships in the world, then zero is the loneliest number because it means that everybody's alone.
How would you respond to that point that perhaps meeting somebody -- meeting somebody on an app is better because you don't actually get to like smell them and stuff. They have love charms, love potions, love magic, and love holidays like Valentine's Day. Today, singles are taking different routes to love. Image copyright Getty Images Image caption Too many rejections on dating apps can lower our self-esteem, psychologists say Dating apps have taken the world by storm, but has the trend for swiping right or left to like or reject potential matches contributed to many people's unhappiness and low self-esteem? And through an interpreter, I asked a 12-year-old boy if he had a girlfriend. In all honesty, the Tinder method seems much more proactive than applying makeup, a tight dress, and uncomfortable heels to go scope out prospects. What we do is we present to you the people who are available, and we try and show you things that you can use to connect. And next in line is Tom Jacques.
John Donvan: So, what's that about? And if you aren't open to falling for the fake person online, then you really aren't open to love in a way. And let's remember why we're here tonight, ladies and gentlemen. John Donvan: Tom, I want to take -- give you a moment to build on the argument that you were making in the beginning about algorithms. People end up answering it, but it's how -- what is happiness? And we bring science to it, and we bring technology to it. Look, we all know the internet is extraordinary.
Daniel Jones: I think the stigma has gone away. I mean, what -- how do you account for the possibility of opposites attracting? To think that discrimination disappears because we now have a chance to meet other people -- I think -- is off-base. People are more willing and more -- more and more willing over time to reach out to these people. And today, you know, I'm going to show you that instead of killing romance, the data actually shows that dating apps are creating romance. Romantic love is adaptable, primordial, and unquenchable.
Will continue to date on tinder now lets you are in particular, apps in about the term was originally a website. In the past, people pulled up in their horse and buggy and wooed at the lunch -- on Sunday lunch. And I've just -- I've sort of come to appreciate what kindness and generosity can do over the long term versus our sort of obsession with love and romance. Because I remember a time -- Daniel Jones: Yeah. And because of that, I ask you to vote no on the motion.
Female Speaker: Hi, I'm Willa. John Donvan: Right down here, yeah. We do not generally approach people who are unattractive to us. But I want to add that dating apps have destroyed another important aspect of romance, civility and conversation, basic emotional intelligence, eye contact, being able to read someone's body language and make them think, like at your best, like your best self, make them think that you are just amazing, and they are the most special person in the world, at least until you get to know each other, right? But that's what you have to do. And even though Eric didn't want to talk about the numbers, I do. And the problem with Valentine's Day is? You know, if you take a look at divorces -- and specifically the rate of divorces per marriage -- that's a trend line that's been going up over time.
I study this brain system of romantic love. This -- John Donvan: Manoush Zomorodi. Or are there people -- the opposite as well? John Donvan: So -- so -- so which side are you on asked Barbara Walters of -- Daniel Jones: Oh, my God. What's important is not the quantity of our dates; it's the quality of our interactions. It's what we reveal when we act online. If you are, you know, a 45-year-old man who's never been married, people think there is a deeper problem there. Speaking first for the motion and making his way to the Intelligence Square there on the floor, Eric Klinenberg.
So, I'd like to take a moment to tell a personal story of how dating apps have affected me. Rebecca, for example, shares with me that she feels just as confident talking to people online as she does in person. Daniel Jones: I believe it, yeah. And I think they're looking in the right place. I have a new view of sort of what -- what marriage is. And today, this past year, 6 percent of singles met somebody in a bar -- I'm not surprised about that. Thirty-one-year-old Daniel from Kent has been using Scruff, a dating app for gay men, since becoming single four years ago.
I want to go to the team arguing for the motion. Are people following their hearts and they do incredibly stupid things? But if I could give you one piece of advice, if you're thinking about doing online after tonight, it's -- don't believe what you see and read. We take a look at, you know, where are you signing up from? We argue about religion constantly. But you know, maybe that assumption is wrong. If you've got a good person in your life, then you can really celebrate it.